Pope Benedict XVI & Patriarch Bartholomew Feast of St. Andrew November 30, 2006
"The current Successor [to John Paul II] assumes as his primary commitment that of working tirelessly towards the reconstitution of the full and visible unity of all Christ's followers." - Pope Benedict XVI (April 20, 2005)
"The true union between Christians is that which Jesus Christ, the Author of the Church, instituted and desired, and which consists in a unity of faith and unity of government." - Pope Leo XIII (Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae, 1894)
"[T]he union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it." - Pope Pius XI (Mortalium animos, 1928)
"Let unity, the greatest good of all goods, be your preoccupation." - St. Ignatius of Antioch (Letter to St. Polycarp)
Monday, June 18, 2007
The Protestant conception of the unity of the visible Church
By remaining a Protestant, a person is saying either that the visible Church is nothing more than the aggregate of all believers and their children, or that his own denomination is the visible Church.
I posted the following at Alastair's Advarsaria in the combox to his article "The Denominational Church":
"You look to a future reuniting of the Church into one institution. And you apparently also believe that no present institution is the original institution founded by Christ. This leads to a trilemma. If Christ did not found an institution, then why do you seek one? But if Christ did found an institution, then either the gates of hell prevailed against it (contrary to Christ’s promise), or one of the present institutions is the original institution founded by Christ."
I take it that by asking this question you are pointing to the fact that with out submission to one individual or tradition (or entity "x") there can be no ultimate unity in congregations of varying practices of faith and morals.
But the question I have is this: if churches throughout the planet simply viewed each other as Christians to a greater extent, without stepping into some sort of universalism, through an emphasis of what Christ instituted, wouldn't the net result be greater mutual submission?
Further, it seems that scholars of varying schools of thought (e.g. Prot., RC., and Ortho.) are reading, citing, and commending their people to consider spirituality from their angle, even without agreeing on matters such as the primacy of Pedro.
So the question is, is this far enough? What would be true unity? How would the Eastern Catholics, with their different practices but respect of the Pope, actually segregate from others such as the Greek Orthodox and Protestants?
Of course, this is operating under the premise that there is as much respect for the other parties as is seen in the Catholic catechism where it describes the Greeks and those Reformed folk living in ecclesial communities.
But the question I have is this: if churches throughout the planet simply viewed each other as Christians to a greater extent, without stepping into some sort of universalism, through an emphasis of what Christ instituted, wouldn't the net result be greater mutual submission?
Who decides what counts as a "church"? Implicit in your suggestion is the assumption that what counts as a church is self-defined and self-evident. But the various disagreements regarding these matters is evidence to the contrary.
What would be true unity? The three bonds of unity (Catholic catechism 815) are correlated to Christ's threefold office of priest, prophet and king. Those three bonds of unity are therefore sacraments, doctrine, and magisterial authority. If we agree on sacraments, doctrine, and magisterial authority, then we are truly one.
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I posted the following at Alastair's Advarsaria in the combox to his article "The Denominational Church":
"You look to a future reuniting of the Church into one institution. And you apparently also believe that no present institution is the original institution founded by Christ. This leads to a trilemma. If Christ did not found an institution, then why do you seek one? But if Christ did found an institution, then either the gates of hell prevailed against it (contrary to Christ’s promise), or one of the present institutions is the original institution founded by Christ."
http://alastair.adversaria.co.uk/?p=688#comments
Bryan,
Given our current debate over at Barlowfarms - if you ever come to The Great White North, and pass by Saskatoon, stop for a pint!
Thank you. I'll remember that. I've never been to Saskatoon. If you ever come through St. Louis, I extend the same offer to you.
peace,
- Bryan
I take it that by asking this question you are pointing to the fact that with out submission to one individual or tradition (or entity "x") there can be no ultimate unity in congregations of varying practices of faith and morals.
But the question I have is this: if churches throughout the planet simply viewed each other as Christians to a greater extent, without stepping into some sort of universalism, through an emphasis of what Christ instituted, wouldn't the net result be greater mutual submission?
Further, it seems that scholars of varying schools of thought (e.g. Prot., RC., and Ortho.) are reading, citing, and commending their people to consider spirituality from their angle, even without agreeing on matters such as the primacy of Pedro.
So the question is, is this far enough? What would be true unity? How would the Eastern Catholics, with their different practices but respect of the Pope, actually segregate from others such as the Greek Orthodox and Protestants?
Of course, this is operating under the premise that there is as much respect for the other parties as is seen in the Catholic catechism where it describes the Greeks and those Reformed folk living in ecclesial communities.
Contrarian,
Thanks for your comments. You wrote:
But the question I have is this: if churches throughout the planet simply viewed each other as Christians to a greater extent, without stepping into some sort of universalism, through an emphasis of what Christ instituted, wouldn't the net result be greater mutual submission?
Who decides what counts as a "church"? Implicit in your suggestion is the assumption that what counts as a church is self-defined and self-evident. But the various disagreements regarding these matters is evidence to the contrary.
What would be true unity? The three bonds of unity (Catholic catechism 815) are correlated to Christ's threefold office of priest, prophet and king. Those three bonds of unity are therefore sacraments, doctrine, and magisterial authority. If we agree on sacraments, doctrine, and magisterial authority, then we are truly one.
- Bryan
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